[Yum] Re: Yum munging systems?

[seth vidal]

> Such rumors are interesting indeed, and its nice to see where they
> originate :)
> 
> No, ATrpms does not modify /etc/fedora-release to mention itself, me
> or my grandmother.
> 

the rumors originate b/c of this list:
http://atrpms.net/dist/fc3/

of MANY core packages being 'updated' by your repository.

You replace the yum.conf and repos files, even.

> Yes, for instance two of the most prominent bugs that have killed yum
> on ATrpms are still open:
> 
>   https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=378
>   https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=379
> 

Both of the issues are resolved or I've suggested a resolution that
needs SOMEONE to test it. You could comment on them and/or close them
yourself.

> The reason why ATrpms generally suggests to use apt over yum is mainly
> the fact that in the last 12 months yum's bugs made ATrpms' yum
> support inoperational for at least a total amount of 3 months. Other
> depsolvers most notably apt, despite any bugs they may have, have been
> performing better (read: they were working).

It's funny, I look through the bugs I have open in fedora bugzilla and
linux at duke bugzilla and I do not notice anything about systems being
eaten or munged. I notice a lot of RFEs and I notice a lot of user or
repo error bugs. So please, show me where there is a munged system.
That's what this is about.


> Other reasons for using apt over yum include downgrade support (like
> needed for FC3's broken immodule support in qt), and the ability to
> work with a repo even if some packages will not install/upgrade (like
> the often seen GFS-kernel and kernel mis-dependecies).

If a repo has broken dependencies you don't want to work with it anyway,
that's just asking for problems. I do not recommend that people use
rawhide, either. 


> Any project including yum may have bugs, but my experience with
> reporting them has been that it needs to hit the main fedora core
> repo, or any other repo Seth is in close affiliation with, to make it
> worth fixing. Call it politics or whatever you like, I only see yum
> breaking on ATrpms far too often, and reluctance to fix it if it only
> affects ATrpms for the moment of the report. E.g. we have to wait
> until the same (critical) bug hits fedora core or fedora extras, to
> see something being done about it.

I call it paranoia, not politics. I fix things when: 
1. I can see and test the bug for myself.
2. I have time to chase down a corner case.

Forgive the hell out of me for not jumping high enough when you file a
bug.

If it sounds like I'm pissed, I am. I'm tired of this horse-shit
grab-ass of apt vs yum. If you want to use apt, more power to you, if
you want tell people that yum 'munges' systems then you damn well better
show me a bug report that backs it up. So far no one has shown me
anything. So continue recommending apt, feel free, but shut the fuck up
about yum munging things until you bring me a bug report.

-sv